I find it very doubtful that you would get an explosion from deflating oxygen from an air bag. Pure oxygen is used in health facilities all the time, and open flames are prohibited due to the fire danger.
What is blue and goes in your mouth? Prove me wrong. USA Posts 2, I have and use both. I use the Avalung for below tree line BC skiing since most likely an incident there will be an inverted tumble into a tree well or a small, tight avy path pocket pulling out.
Plus it's lighter weight. On the other hand, whenever I'm heading into wide open, above tree line alpine terrain, I take my ABS pack. An incident there will most likely be widespread and encompass more snow and power. In that case, an airbag pack is the safest bet. It saved his life. Leave No Turn Unstoned! Join Date Sep Posts 9, Well if you do survive the trauma most avalanche fatalities I would feel lucky to have either option.
I would prefer not to be buried, but if I was I would prefer to have an avalung than not. So no it isn't a joke. Frankly for not understanding this simple fact you are the joke OP. Join Date Jan Posts X2 on the treewell value. In that scenario it's what I would hope for, some extra time.
Sent from my satellite using TGR Forums. Join Date Oct Location 9,ft Posts 19, The best solution is to get both and duct tape and ziptie the Avalung to your airbag pack. Avalungs protect against more situations than an airbag, if less reliably: airway protection while trying to ski out of an avalanche or slough, SIS snow immersion suffocation deaths like treewell or deep pow, and if you are critically buried in an avalanche, airbag or not.
Skiing without the mouthpiece in is like driving your car with the seatbelt unbuckled. You don't wait until you see the oncoming semi to buckle up. But nowhere is that more true in an avalanche rescue scenario. Time is the enemy. The longer someone is buried under the snow, the greater their chances are of not surviving.
Each minute, especially after the 15 minute mark, exponentially increases the likelihood of a fatality. Not fun. The Avalung is a tool that can save your life. Avalanche danger is a real and ongoing concern in the mountains. Learning about avalanche rescue is critical to being ready for that day when everything goes wrong. But the single best tool to deal with the hazard of avalanches is to avoid them. Learn about the snow. Learn about the terrain you are skiing in.
Get some experience and some education or even better, hire a guide and learn from them. Motoring out into the ether with no knowledge, or with no clue how to use the tools at your disposal for both avalanche avoidance and avalanche survival, is lunacy.
The mountains are a dangerous place and should never be taken for granted. Get a beacon, shovel and probe and learn how to use them. Take an avalanche course. Get yourself an Avalung or an airbag. But most of all, be prepared. For those of us that work as mountain professionals, we are the ones that are coming to help you, so help us, and be smart out there.
This is why we play in the mountains. But, if I bought the thing, I feel it would be stupid to have it in a lowered position should something happen. Without digressing, my point is that I am able to literally bite down on it in this position without the use of my hands and without really much lower head movement. I do not believe this will take time that I would otherwise be using to get to my predetermined safe-zone or take other survival measures.
Basically, my point is that I am comfortable that I have it in a position where I can almost instinctly bite it immediately while otherwise attempting to get out of harms way or start swiming for my life.
Will this work in actual practice? Who knows, and I will use my best effort everyday to ever have to attempt to actually engage this device.
An interisting bit of trivia about the human body is that the whole exhale system of your lungs is based around carbon dioxide being more acidic than the rest of air, and your desire to inhale or exhale reflects the amount of acidity in your lungs. If you are in an oxygen and carbon dioxide rich environment, you begin to hallucinate wildly and experience intense time dilation, because your body thinks it is dieing.
I popped the mouthpiece in and bit down. Oddly enough, I think the avalung at the very least had a nice placebo effect. Relax and calm your breathing. I got tossed around quite a bit and came to a stop upright and unburied as most of the debris deposited below me.
They seem like cheap, light insurance. That does lead me into another thought regarding avy airbag packs. It seems most of the data for these is from Europe where much of the skiing is above tree line. In Utah and Colorado this may be comparable but in the Pacific North Wet we get quite intimate with our trees. Most of our skiing is in and around trees. I do like the idea of the bag inflating and then deflating after a set time to potentially provide a bit of an air pocket but other than that I think the jury is still out on these for me.
My conclusion is that it is better to use the ABS and bounce off or through trees. My conclusion is that it is better to use the ABS and bounce off or through trees than to wrap a tree and die as occurred on the PCT above Yodelin in Neither scenario sounds good, but I continue to lug around my ABS it makes me stronger? I also keep that Avalung handy, as I have said in dog burial practice I wore the Avalung and felt it helped.
As I like to say, the only safety is avalanche avoidance, and avalanches are avoidable nearly all of the time with proper decisions and disciplined behavior. When I saw the whistle nice, cheap insurance on the chest buckle of the BD Covert Avalung pack I briefly wondered if BD considered placing a whistle in the snorkel tube itself. That whistling sound would keep you company when buried, although it would probably suck if you had to listen to that during avy dog practice burials.
Justin, I never liked the standalone Avalung for those exact reasons, and was excited when they started building them into backpacks. Only secret I have is that I I frequently don no use a beacon harness, I just carry my beacon in the chest pocket of my lightweight softshell, which I wear almost all the time, though sometimes I carry the beacon and softshell in my pack.
Only thing missing is the Avalung pack really should have a crotch strap if one really expects it to stay located on your back in a bigger avalanche. Yeah, I was originally of that mindset as well, but never look a gift Avalung in the mouth right? The Avalung buys you time. How often do your buddies practice with their beacons?
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